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15 Responses to “It Is the End of An Era, But They Won’t Admit It”
  1. Fasternu 426 on December 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    You know that you can’t give away everything and starve yourself. You’ve forced yourselves to live with undeserved, irrational guilt. Is it ever proper to help another man? No, if he demands it as his right or as a duty that you owe him. Yes, if it’s your own free choice based on your judgment of the value of that person and his struggle. This country wasn’t built by men who sought handouts. In its brilliant youth, this country showed the rest of the world what greatness was possible to Man and what happiness is possible on Earth.

    Ayn Rand, Altas Shrugged, from John Galt speech

  2. Fasternu 426 on December 4th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    BZ needs to add Atlas Shrugged to the LST book club.

    That book is more true than ever!

  3. a crazy canuk on December 4th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    I hope they will look towards Texas for some inspiration and a vision for their future.

    my fear is that they will look to Texas with their hand out and want us to pay for their future.

    Great article

  4. GriffithLea on December 4th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    No mention of the unions in this discussion?

  5. texpat on December 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    #4 GriffithLea

    This is a fairly broad subject and any discussion of it will inevitably include the UAW. However, unions were not what I was focusing upon when I wrote this. The perpetual mismanagement of our major auto manufacturers and the human and personal effects of the dismantling and rebuilding of a hugely important sector of our economy were my primary concerns.

  6. Maltboy! on December 4th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t necessarily agree that hordes of workers will be forced down the economic ladder. Folks move up and down a few rungs all the time. If the Big 3 file chapter 11, they won’t stop making cars. Most of those people will still have jobs. They may not have the fat pensions or the layoff protection, but who does? People all over are paying their own way. Why should UAW members be any different?

    Worst case is the Big 3 shutters the doors. What happens then? Honda, Nissan, et al buy their assets and reopen under a superior management structure and start doing the job GM should have been doing when they were running it. Namely, putting out good cars that people want to buy and selling them for a good price. Someone has to make the parts for those cars and assemble them into a finished product. Those are the same jobs that everyone else has at the non-union facilities.

    Everyone makes it sound like there will be a huge everlasting vacuum if the Big 3 declare bankruptcy. That is a load of bull. The market, and the jobs, will fill the void quickly.

  7. Robert 1 on December 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Bankruptcy and reorganization is the only answer. You cannot start throwing “bailout” money at a problem that has been festering itself for a long period of time. That will only prolong the inevitable. The big shots and the union people have to realize the “gravy train” has pulled into the station and its time for them to get off. It is kinda hard for most people to feel sorry for overpaid people who earn more than their job descriptions dictates. You just have to be in a union and they automatically get you a raise, whether you earned or deserved it or not.

  8. Big45Iron on December 4th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Texpat, when you’re tired and dyslexic, that came out at Hot looking hairy women. For a moment I was worried about you. Now I realize you too are a leg man.

  9. Big45Iron on December 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    The big danger of a Chapter 11 is what that does to the accounts receivable of their suppliers and lenders. If the payables of the Big 3 are running at 60 -90 days, that’s going to tie up that amount of money all the way down the supply chain for months while it gets settle in the courts If the suppliers are unable to borrow money to covers those receivables, they in turn will not be able to pay their suppliers and lenders. That’s where you get the domino affect. For smaller companies, it could kill them. Of course they would get paid current on sales made after the filing, but that wouldn’t ease the pain.

  10. texpat on December 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    #8 Big

    You noticed.

  11. Bill F on December 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    I think one of the best answers to problems like is something that will never happen, and that is the destruction of the national union. If unions were forced to negotiate only as locals, and if other locals were banned from striking or staging slowdowns in support of other locals, it would force the unions to deal in the real world of what value the workers at each individual plant have to the company as a whole. Right now, when the UAW negotiates, the unions isn’t setting a value on what each group of workers is worth to GM, they are negotiating what avoidance of a complete shutdown of their operations is worth to GM. If the union was unable to shutdown the entire supply chain and could only shut down individual plants one at a time, then it would be easy to illustrate the value of that individual plant by seeing how much their shut down affects the company as a whole. While GM has created a company “too big to fail”, the UAW has become a union that knows it is “too big to be told no”. The only way to save manufacturing in the American upper midwest and northeast is to either repeal closed shop laws forcing all workers to join unions, or to cut the unions down to size so that they are once again negotiating based on what each group of workers is worth, and not extorting concessions from companies by forcing them to look down the barrel of a complete shutdown.

  12. whitetop on December 4th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    #3 you are exactly right. The big joke during the 70s, when Houston and most of Texas was flourishing, Michigan was going down the drain, was “will the last person out of Michigan please turn off the lights”. What with our illegal alien problem Houston couldn’t absorb the Michigrants like it did in the 70s.

    Obviously the problem has been around for decades so there is no sense putting off the inevitable by bailing out the Big 3. Let them sink or swim on their own.

  13. whitetop on December 4th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    After reading comments regarding todays bailout hearings one thing is very evident. The democrats are trying to hide in the tall weeds to keep from being blamed for corporate failures. Pelosi, Reid and Dodd wanting Bush to use part of the $700 bil bailout to help the auto industry. Since Congress authorizes the money how can Bush redirect the funds? Seems like the democrats have dug a hole for themselves. They are beholding to the unions, they take money from the Big 3 automakers and now they have to listen to the voters. It looks like the politicians are getting a first hand view of HELL.

  14. Shamaal on December 4th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    Pelosi, Reid and Dodd wanting Bush to use part of the $700 bil bailout to help the auto industry. Since Congress authorizes the money how can Bush redirect the funds?

    The administration was pretty much given carte blanche on spending the funding, it’s just a matter of mutual agreement on the interpretation. The administration does not want to interpret in this particular instance the way Congress wants them to. They may have another bailout intended for the funds or the just may being obstinate, I truly don’t know.

    Internally the Democrats are divided between bailout and fiscal responsibility. I think some suspect that the big 3 are bluffing. And this is just a part of the drama, Bush has nominated an overseer as Congress required, but one of the Senators has put a hold on him. These guys are playing brinksmanship to narrow the options to only one solution. Hardball politics isn’t pretty.

  15. vlou on December 4th, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    The Big 3 automakers made bad choices…way overcompensated executives and unions who seem to be topheavy and demanding at the expense of the consumer…everyone will have to eat what they put on their plate or go hungry is the way I see it. We should not bail them out…they did it to themselves. We cannot continue to bail anyone who mismanages greed. Let them know they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

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