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Medina refuses to deny or condemn 9/11 Truther conspiracy theorists on Glenn Beck’s radio show this morning.
Debra Medina Refuses to Deny 9/11 Truthers
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For one Glenn Beck is not what he seems. He supported the bailout and is now calling for more taxes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6C6E6ayh4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRZgIL-hUk
Secondly, are you aware of how many of the 9/11 commission?ers side have gone further than her?
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/opinion/02kean.html?ref=opinion
The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.
CBS News: http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/CBCSunday_20060910.wmv
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
http://salon.com/ent/feature/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/index4.html
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/11/21/cleland/index.html?pn=1
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/13/911_panel_to_get_access_to_withheld_data/
9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest“.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/911_Commissioner_We_had_to_go_0203.html
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html
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So there you have it. Beck is here to co-opt true conservatives and ruin the chances for real change.
/handplant….
I was about to post this in the open thread..
ah well.. it was fun while it lasted.. guess it’s Goodhair for the next 4 years..
Debra Medina joins Elvis.
Just when I thought it was safe to vote for someone that seemed to be straightforward and practical.
Rick Perry: nice hair, but look at the record.
KBH: She’s a U.S. Senator so she is totally unqualified to hold another elected office
Debra Medina: Nut job
Bummer
Oh well, there goes that “hope for change”. I guess I’m stuck with choosing between 2 moderates.
ick…
That sound you hear is a shark being jumped.
The worst part is, the DebTards manage to connect the dots for this debacle back to Dan Patrick and KSEV, but refuse to acknowledge my puppet-mastery, pulling the strings of the string-pullers.
Just another slog through the day of a cog working for the ZOG…
Wow! Glen gets another scalp. Talk about pulling the pin out of the loonie grenade.
All she had to say was “no”.
Dave, that’s because you are too good! It’s a liability sometimes . . .
I have to say i was lmao at her stupidity…….crap all she had to say was no, i think the truthers are full of bovine excretia.
David, if it would help your self esteem, I’ll be happy to set up a DNS redirect from DebraMedinaTimes.com to your site.
thats just wrong bob!
Debra…just when I settled on voting for YOU.
Good grief, who are this lady’s advisors? Yikes, and to do this on Glenn Beck’s program that goes nationwide.
For want of a nail the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe the horse was lost, for want of a horse the kingdom was lost….
Rick Perry 2010!!!
Whoahoo!!!
But she CAN’T just say “no”… because Paultards have made an Idol out of Liberty, and theirs is a Jealous God, demanding sacrifices of political-viability, common-sense and moral decency from all who worship It’s Flame of Freedom.
David B
I just called Shannon, who is out on the road, and told him Debra Medina’s defense was the “Ron Paul Non-Defense” about Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist supporters:
I don’t know – I can’t give every one of my supporters a psychological exam – I have to see what other talents they bring to the table in the name of Our Cause….blah, blah, blah…
Response.. Really doesn’t help much..
Maybe she really didn’t want to be Gov anyway..
Maybe an unadultered transcript might give a clearer view. In the mean time This from the dallasnews draws it’s own questions.
She’s been on Royal Troofer Alex Jones show at least a half a dozen times. That should at least give one pause.
Then why didn’t you just say no? Now you’ve pissed off the troofers AND the sane people.
It’s not all bad…
At least all six(!) of the Libertarian party membership are still in the race!.
Sounds like she got tripped up trying to be loquacious. Hehehe! She was trying to walk a line between the sane and the troofers, as hamous put it, and the edged got a little too narrow. “No” would have been the simple answer, but simple answers aren’t popular in interviews, or to politicians. She may still have a shot, let’s see what the next couple of days bring.
I think that there ARE some unanswered questions out there. Do I think that W. or his direct appointees had any knowledge of the pending event, NO. Do I think that some career libturd-beauro-wacko-lifetime- government placeholders had knowledge of pending disaster and did nothing for PC or other bad reasons, yes probably. The 911 commission had Jamie Gorelick on the panel and she should have been called before it. She was the one who set up the wall of separation between the criminal and investigative divisions of the FBI during the CLINTON ADMINSITRATION. The truth DID NOT come out during the “investigation”. This same Jamie Gorelick is a high-up muckety-muck in BHO’s administration.
I heard some of the interview and to me it sounded like she refused to address the issue. Her purpose was to re-direct THE FOCUS to that which has State of Texas importance as opposed US Federal Govt issues. A collection of strong state governments makes for a much stronger country; while a stronger federal government with weak states makes a weak country overall that always leads to bankruptcy.
Ugh! I just answered a phone poll last night and told the nice lady on the other end of the line I’d definitely be voting Medina in the primary. I probably still will, but UGH!!! anyway.
The more I read this the more it bothers me:
What a deflection! I can’t stand Glenn Beck. I think he’s a charlatan. But he didn’t ask you whether people have the right to question their government. Of course they do. No one needs to ask that. He asked you a very simple question that could have been answered with a very simple yes or no. Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?
Any political candidate in America who cannot unequivocally and emphatically deny and condemn the 9/11 Truther conspiracies and any supporters who agree with them is simply lame and unqualified to hold public office.
The retraction is, in my mind, useless and insincere.
The excuse she blundered because she is a novice doesn’t hold water and, if true, then that also disqualifies her for the Governor’s office.
………VERY DISAPPOINTING TO SAY THE LEAST!
Is this what it has to come down to??? A choice between slick tricksters and career politicians or paranoid delusionals seeing Zionist conspiracies under every rock??? I’m about ready to unregister to vote.
Writing off Medina because of one flubbed interview with a professional clown stinks of entrenched puppet mastering Texas republican backroom politics.
She still has my vote.
A few initial reactons:
1. She not only came across as a nut, she came across as a weasel who couldn’t/wouldn’t give a sraight answer. She obviously has been doing this long enough to learn to be nothing but another politician. Or, perhaps she was determined not to alienate the all-important Troofer vote.
2. What a Valentine’s kiss Medina just gave Perry.
3. Beck, in part, blew it. He had the perfect opportunity to really lay her out. “Debra, what exactly are the ‘good questions’ that you say are unaswered?” Ten to one she would have babbled about some “Loose Change” garbage that’s been thoroughly debunked. She’s looking more and more like Jesse Ventura.
4. Do the Tea Party folks want to be tarnished by being lumped in with the Troofers? If not, they’d better run from this woman, and fast.
5. IF she somehow won the primary, the GOP may have indeed found a way to give back recent momentum. “Texas GOP Taps Troofer for Guv.” The Dems and MSNBC would be orgasmic.
6. I had no idea she was so stupid.
bob42
I didn’t know you were a Troofer. That does explain a lot, though.
Oh well, looks like I will be sitting the primary out now. I can’t vote for Rick or KBH and Dan and John have no competition.
Being purposely obtuse in answering a question about 9/11 conspiracy theories goes well beyond the scope of flubbing an interview. It would appear that she is not a troofer type, but didn’t want to risk alienating the fringe vote that are troofers. Does that not in and of itself at least give you a small bit of doubt about her suitability to govern?
I say…so what. Perry is a lying, two-faced, say one-thing, do-another, slime bucket. Huthicson has been useless as a senator so why would she be any better as Gov? Medina wants to get rid of property taxes, cut spending, close the border, supports the 2nd amendment. That’s good enuf for me.
This was not an obscure legal question about a Texas Supreme Court ruling, a question about wonkish policy data, a question about who is the President of Uzbekistan or a question asking the effects of the Smoot-Hawley Act on black union workers.
This was an opportunity before a huge national audience to declare a clear answer to a clear, direct question.
This was not a blunder borne of inexperience, ignorance of the facts, naivete or trick questioning – it was an obvious evasion and refusal to deny insane conspiracy theorists who have unfairly and unjustly accused American political leaders, intelligence professionals, the U.S. military, law enforcement, members of Congress, the Israeli government, Jews everywhere and even the media of the most heinous and reprehensible acts imaginable.
NaiveDude
First, Medina could support annexing Mexico, but so what? She dan’t do things by fiat, so her most extreme positions are also the most worthless ones.
Second, anyone who can’t dismiss the Troofers outright is either a moron or a Troofer sympathizer. Either one disqualifies her in my book.
Thank goodness she showed her incompetennce before the primary.
By the way, Medina’s accomplishments to date are, what now?
RickG
Since the governor of Texas has no power over the international border and no power over the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, nothing but a bully pulpit regarding property taxes and limited ability to cut spending, I would say WaveDude is placing his bets on the wrong horse for all the wrong reasons.
lol. I’m not a troofer or a birther, (or a stoner for what that’s worth.)
I’m just a dude that likes real fiscal conservatism, liberty, and a limited government–Unlike the entrenched back room underhanded parasitical players in our political industry that are taxing my grandchildren before they’re born, and see the Constitution as obstacle to their nefarious goals.
What about the birfers?
Oh HAL-sie-poo….
How can it be any worse? You gonna keep voting for the same-old, same-old do nothings? And who needs qualifications–anyone with some common sense can be Gov. It’s not rocket science. And it’s painfully obvious that the people there now can’t get the job done either. I’m tired of getting screwed over by the republicans and the democrats both. Time for some new blood as the incumbants are worthless.
I believe that would be sticking her foot in her mouth on the Glenn Beck Show, Rick.
Candidate: I’m willing to spit on the graves of 3,000 people murdered by terrorists, and slander my government in the process… but if you can overlook all that, I think you’ll like my stance on taxes, spending, immigration and gun-rights.
WaveDude: Dat’s coo.
Six words for you: “The One We’ve Been Waiting For”
Let’s see… In the span of a few weeks, long shot outsider Medina goes from being ignored by the establishment republicans to earning deserved seats at debates with the front runners, her polling numbers spike to to red zone (runoff) territory, and even the likes of Burka take notice of her.
Now, prominent LSTers have their panties in a knot and are make a huge fricking deal about her non-answer to a stupid question. Gee whiz folks, shouldn’t you get some new material? These old jokes are long past stale.
Grasping for straws?
Well, I reckon if the establishment alternatives are KBH or the HAIR, that’s the best folks can do.
Right. She dodged the question. Big whup.
No. Considering the numbers two faced professional liars that abound in both the democrat and republican establishments, I’m willing to take a chance on Medina, even though I perceive her to be a bit too socially conservative.
Same song, different verse… Ron Paul and Debra Medina supposedly have the brains, moral clarity and political courage to return our nation to its Constitutional foundation… yet they can’t even summon those same qualities in order to bring themselves to rebuke Neo-Nazis and 9/11 Truthers.
The cause of individual liberty deserves much better than this.
I agree the problem is by not clearly saying “no”, Medina has stepped closer to cozying up with the truthers. If she was trying to calculate herself by not scarying away the truthers from supporting her, she essentially tried to appease everyone but ended up appeasing no one.
Stupid question
I agree.
The republicans (and dems) have utterly failed to respect liberty in numerous ways. They are reluctant to change and rely on backhanded covert political techniques to keep much of the electorate apathetic and pliable.
But hey, it’s worked pretty darn well for them so far, right?
Is this thread headed for 100 comments today?
If Medina makes it to the runoff, KBH/HAIR are probably toast.
It’s time for desperate measures LST! Break out the pictures of Medina hugging a Stormfronter already! The suspense is killing me.
NEW POLL: How many Medina hit pieces will we see on LST in the next month?
Inability to unequivically separate oneself from the troofers is hardly an old, stale joke.
It is an immediate disqualification for elected office.
What would you say if she were to be unable to forthrightly state that she doesn’t believe that Germany was the aggressor in 1938/39.
#6 Me neither. While I was apprehensive for a long while on Medina for not having a clear-cut legal position on abortion or defining marriage between one man and one woman. I know she had personal beliefs on both these subjects, I was worried the libertarian in her would take the position of being passive as governor on these same issues. As of yesterday I decided to vote for her. But now I’ve changed that. I didn’t think the libertarian in her would go so far as to not not position herself distincly against 9/11 truthers.
Can I use your vote?
Answer: None; she beat us to it.
How many more times will she say stupid things on Glenn Beck or Alex Jobnes shows in the next month?
Rick Perry 2010!!!
Whoahoo!!!!
Funky cold Medina…
MSmith777
This marks the first time Glenn Beck has ever been on the front page of LST. He has been linked on the front page little to none. If, somehow, you think Lone Star Times is a hotbed of writhing, thrashing Beck sycophants, you could not possibly be more wrong.
There is nothing I haven’t already read in all the links you provided. None of it addresses the 9/11 Truther conspiracy insanity that has been circulating for years. The dispute between the Pentagon and the Commission concerned the NORAD and the Pentagon’s covering their asses for not having a better air defense plan for America in the case of an attack like 9/11. That is no conspiracy.
Commission members Timothy Roemer, Richard Ben-Veniste, Jamie Gorelick and especially Max Cleland were all hyper-partisan participants dead set on indicting the Bush administration with whatever scurrilous charges they could. I look at much of that work with a skeptical eye.
So, what exactly is your point here since nothing you offered excuses Medina’s lack of clarity and forthright condemnation of lunatics and their pet theories ?
Ok, OK, I’ll run. Sheesh you whine.
Rick Perry 2010!!!
Whoahoo!!!
Entire GB interview on KSEV right now.
I love it. Anyone daring to criticize Bob42′s candidates is writing a “hit-piece” while stroking the virtual phallus of every nutjob troofer is “standing up for liberty”.
Boy oh boy did Medina have a long-winded response to Beck saying absolutely nothing.
Wow. I’m so shocked.
I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. She basically said that everyone was entitled to their own opinion. Now that may cause progressive scum like Beck to froth at the mouth; but if sane people actually read what she said, she doesn’t ally herself with the toofers, she just said they are entitled to whatever opinions they may have about the subject.
Beck’s a hack. Medina is the real deal. Anyone without the discernment to see this is a fool and can keep following the neo-cons down the path to statist hell. It also looks like we have a case of “any publicity is good publicity,” considering her campaign contributions are up over $20,000 since last night. Trying to ally Medina with the toofers is almost as comical as Bush Lite (Perry) calling himself a libertarian.
It’s possible. I think I recall a thread that hit 1000 back in LST’s Ron Paul bashing days. But this is a more local discussion.
When someone is dead-set on making an a$$ of him/herself, it’s usually best to get out of their way, pop some popcorn, and enjoy the show.
e-goldstein
I’ll just repeat my comment #37:
This was not an obscure legal question about a Texas Supreme Court ruling, a question about wonkish policy data, a question about who is the President of Uzbekistan or a question asking the effects of the Smoot-Hawley Act on black union workers.
This was an opportunity before a huge national audience to declare a clear answer to a clear, direct question.
This was not a blunder borne of inexperience, ignorance of the facts, naivete or trick questioning – it was an obvious evasion and refusal to deny insane conspiracy theorists who have unfairly and unjustly accused American political leaders, intelligence professionals, the U.S. military, law enforcement, members of Congress, the Israeli government, Jews everywhere and even the media of the most heinous and reprehensible acts imaginable.
I just listened to the interview again. She never said She believed that the US Govt was involved in the 911 event. THE BIG QUESTION
And shooting herself in the foot at the same time, thus blowing her political brains out.
As of yesterday I would have agreed with you. At least we know she’s convinced Muslims flew the plabne into the trade centers. That’s progress. Phew.
Progressive scum Rick Perry 2010!!!
Whoahoo!!!
bob’s radio station would do the same, no?
She makes it clear she won’t commit to supporting the GOP candidate, but can’t clearly and firmly disavow the Troofers?
She’s got it bass-ackwards, I would say.
#73 Texpat
“This was not an obscure legal question about a Texas Supreme Court ruling, a question about wonkish policy data, a question about who is the President of Uzbekistan or a question asking the effects of the Smoot-Hawley Act on black union workers.”
If she would have been asked one of these questions, she probably would have been able to answer more adroitly–Debra is a smart woman, as evidenced by the debates. The question came out of left field and I believe took her aback causing her to fumble. Would a lifetime politician have handled the question better? No doubt. But as Debra put it herself:
I was asked a question on the Glenn Beck show today regarding my thoughts on the so-called 9/11 truth movement. I have never been involved with the 9/11 truth movement, and there is no doubt in my mind that Muslim terrorists flew planes into those buildings on 9/11. I have not seen any evidence nor have I ever believed that our government was involved or directed those individuals in any way. No one can deny that the events on 9/11 were a tragedy for all Americans and especially those families who lost loved ones.
The question surprised me because it’s not relevant to this race or the issues facing Texans. This campaign has always been about private property rights and state sovereignty. It is focused on the issues facing Texans. It is not a vehicle for the 9-11 truth movement or any other group.
The real underlying question here, though, is whether or not people have the right to question our government. I think the fact that people are even asking questions on this level gets to the incredible distrust career politicians have fostered by so clearly taking their direction from special interests instead of the people, whether it’s Rick Perry and his HPV mandate or Kay Hutchison and voting for the bank bailout. It is absolutely the right and duty of a free people to question their government. Texas does not need another politician who tells you what you want to hear, then violates your liberties and steals your property anyway. I fully expect to be questioned and to be held accountable as Governor, and that’s the underlying issue here: should people be questioning their government. And the answer is yes, they should be.”
http://www.medinafortexas.com/getPost?p=272
So, I’m going to have to disagree with you and call this one a political fumble.
I’ll bring the Mountain Dew.
Does statist hell (see #74) have Mountain Dew? I hope so. I also the cans are kept icy cold. I hear it’s hot down there.
Interview again on KSEV. This is just for bob.
Ooops, wrong button. I, the Bonecrusher, believe that there may not have been any direct involvement (planning) of US Govt personnell in the 911 tragedy; I DO believe that there was gross incompetence in preventing the tragedy. IF US Govt personnell had knowledge of an impending attack (and they did due to increased “chatter” on the info systems monitored) AND you have FBI agents reporting/responding to bizarre behavior in an airplane flight school (I only want to learn to take off and fly, no need to bother with learning to land), then there is good reason to believe that those who wanted to “reshape America” intentionally looked the other way. A reasonable case to confirm my suspicions, is the Kennedy assasination: Does anyone really believe that one bullet did all that damage and that LHO acted alone??? That does not mean that I adhere to Oliver Stone’s ideas. . . . .NO! All I am saying is that there remain unanswered questions with the Kennedy Assasination AND there remain unanswered questions about 911. The pattern is the same; not in the lead-up but the “investigations” afterward.
BAck in 2001, all the terrorist events were perpetrated at the hands of muslims in the name of islam; how then could muslims behaving in a bizarre fashion, with expired/illegitimate visas be allowed to stay in the country unless someone in government wanted the sh_t to hit the fan so they could increase their own power to handle the emergency? If we want to know the reason why some things happen, look at the results. Manufactured crises lead to panic and a demand for action which allows those in power to steal liberties and increase power potential as a result. The goal all along was/is increased power. Wayne LaPierre, NRA, mentioned something along the same lines during the Clinton Admin when he said that this president is willing to allow a certain level of violence inn order to promote a demand for strengthening the existing gun laws. He was speaking against the Clinton administration’s refusal to enforce certain gun laws that were already on the books. See my #28 above.
Why has the Debra Medina for Governor blogger brought Pat Gray’s Mormonism into this? (See LST “Quickshots”.) Don’t tell me she also supports the right of people to decide to be religious bigots?
Why raise someone’s religion? In this case, there’s only one reason I can think of.
BRING BACK KINKY!
first sentence on #82 should read: was not any direct involvement/planning. . .
Generally speaking, ALL 9/11 truthers believe the exact same thing. The question given Medina was if our government was involved in any way to bring down the towers. That’s where the 9/11 truthers bring up the conspiracies. That’s exactly the point of reference in the 9/11 event that a good friend and 9/11 truther got involved with a few times. Although this friend of mine is a stellar human being and politically conservative/libertarian, based on his 9./11 opinion alone, I would NOT vote for him for Texas governor.
You sick man you..oh, you mean Friedman?
80. e-goldstein says:
No, it is not. That is a weak rationalization used by the Ron Pauls, and now, apparently, the Debra Medinas of the world for refusing to forcefully condemn the attitudes of everyone from Neo-Nazis to Troofers.
No one can keep another from holding an opinion. However, one can reject, ridicule and condemn opinions and those who hld them, like Nazis and Troofers. Too bad Medina did not take the chance to do the sensible – and right – thing.
If it’s the Quickshots beginning with “MedinaBloggers:” I can’t read it right now. But true to character, I’m now interested.
Still got my button and shirt
Agreed. I don’t think there’s any doubt that government incompetence and negligence played a part in the 9/11 disaster. Though unlike Bonecrusher, I don’t think their failure to act was intentional.
That’s all she had to say……. BUT she didn’t. She waffled, and wiggled and wormed her way all around the answer without ever answering.
You are correct. So, if she won’t even forthrightly answer a simple irrelevant question, how is she going to respond when things get really tough? She’s either really a troofer, which would mean she’s a moronic idiot, or she’s spineless which ain’t a great quality to find in a Governor that wants to make all of the changes she says she wants to make.
That’s not entirely true. He was on LST front page before as a goofy, all-show-no-substance clown.
You Glenn Beck sychophant you.
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MSmith;
While there are many here who like Glenn Beck (I’m one of them. Probably cuz I’m a dummy and Glenn knows how to talk to dummies – **HINT: set up set up**), many others do not. Texpat for one has openly ridiculed Beck, RickG below has expressed worries of Glenn actually hurting the conservative movement, and other front page constiruters have expressed either a disatisfaction with or an absolute no interest for Beck.
I just read on Medina’s website – the whole Beck interview was a setup to trap her. You see, Beck is Pat Gray’s BFF, and Pat is Edd Hendee’s BFF and Edd is a big supporter of Rick Perry and they all cooked it up together. They probably used Halliburton for the really dirty work.
I really don’t want a Governor that sees a conspiracy behind everything.
I seem to recall Edd is supporting KBH, not Jimmy Dick Perry.
And it is because Glenn Beck is a media clown. His only strength is looking for and finding the next wild and crazy crap to spew on TV. He and Alex Jones are cut form the same cloth. And for the record Medina’s answers to Beck identifies her as a whackjob truther.
94 fa
And don’t forget Pat Gray is a Mormon.
94 Darren
I’m wih you. As Texpat pointed out above – and which happens after almost any political or military failure – there were all kinds of people with all kinds of motivations to lay blame. Yet, as you suggest, there is a difference between saying we could have done a better job in national security and saying our government participated in the monstrous attacks. The former view does not make one a Troofer. Even equivocating (which is what Medina did) instead of rejecting the latter view lines you up directly with the Troofers.
Remember, it is clear the 911 Truthers think the worst about their government. Their own mission statment says: “elements within the US government and covert policy apparatus must have orchestrated or participated in the execution of the attacks for these to have happened in the way that they did.”
That’s the mentality Medina aligned herself with by her failure to repudiate it.
Two best comments so far:
That was my first reaction.
That was my second reaction.
Um, I didn’t say that. Debra Medina did. Sorry about the confusion, I thought I added the quotes.
Bonecrusher
First, forget everything you ever read about the JFK assassination and read Vincent Bugliosi’s book that he spent 20 years of his life researching. It also comes with a CD containing 1,000s of pages of footnotes and references. It is the final word on this subject.
Second, the FBI agents, and their superiors, who were investigating domestic cases concerning students in flight training schools were completely blocked, by law and Presidential directive (see Clinton/Gorelick) from sharing information or other intel with the CIA/DIA/NSA and other agencies who each had pieces of the puzzle. Therefore this assumption is totally unfounded:
I don’t honestly think you can actually believe this is rationally and logically possible:
Whose goal was it to seize what power ? When exactly and how specifically did this happen ?
LaPierre is no conspiracy nut. He said the Clinton administration was willing to tolerate innocent people being unable to defend themselves and suffering violence as a price to maintain onerous and unconstitutional gun laws. He said it was an immoral and unconscionable trade off. I agree with him, but that also is not a conspiracy. These are the obstinate and unacceptable actions of wrong-headed politicians.
Chill, dude, and take a deep breath.
ditto. what you said.
Y’all are giving the likes of Alex Jones entirely too much credit. Why is that? The dude has fewer listeners than that whats-his-hame Savage nutjob from the left coast.
I’m not a big Medina fan. As I’ve disclosed previously, she’s too socially conservative for my liking. However, while I’ve yet to rattle her tip jar, she still has my vote in the primary, and all this honking about her Beck interview doesn’t change that. In fact, it makes me more certain of my decision.
Keep up the good work KBH/HAIR fans!
e –
I see what you’re saying. You’re quoting her. There were quotes at the end of the paragraph but not at the beginning, so I, indeed, was confused. So I modify by saying “e-goldstein quotes Medina as saying:”
Otherwise, my comments remain unchanged, but with this addendum: Your quotation is taken from her “clarification,” presumably after she had time to reflect on her initial insanity. This makes it worse because, upon further consideration, she STILL can’t get it right. (In addition, whether a candidate is prone to delusion is absolutely “relevant to this race.” She gets it wrong again!)
Since leaving that comment (and even more so my earlier comment that said I might still vote for her), I’m tending towards Fat Albert’s “spineless” assessment. That being the case, I’m having some serious second thoughts about her getting my vote. Problem is, my only conceivable second option would be Rick Perry, and that’s a VERY DISTANT second option. Once again, UGH!
And having an obvi0ous truther come in here to support her doesn’t help her a lot, either.
No doubt, there are people who become more committed to a candidate the more outrageous, radical and bizarre the candidate gets. Lots of people are bitter about the political system and equate contrarianism with insight. The irony is that Medina is the biggest RINO in this race.
I am sure there are those who hate the GOP and its two mainstream candidates so much, and are so convinced they know the “real” truth, that they would still vote for Medina if she announced tomorrow that the Holocaust never happened.
A follow up interview worth listening to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSyL6APEPtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfJh_4iIz0k&feature=related
Rick, this statement lacks substantiation. Please elaborate.
And while your at it, look out for the sharks beneath you.
That’s quite a leap for a person possessing the degree of intelligence that you clearly have.
She dodged a question about whether she beielved the government had a hand in the 9/11 attacks. That’s like dodging a question about whether the Holocaust really happened (and given the leanings of some of the Ron Paul supporters she courted in his campaign, is perhaps one that needs to be asked. Its like dodging a question about whether or not its OK for priests to molest choir boys.
There’s only one SANE answer to the question.
If my choices are between them and somebody who dosn’t beleive that it was bloodthirsty baby killing religious fanatics that killed 3000 people while I watched on TV, then I go with the same-old do nothings.
We just got a President because a lot of people didn’t want to vote for a same old do nothing.
Hows that hopey changey thing working?
/Begin Troll
Debra “Babydoll” Medina can get back into my good graces if she will send me a photo of herself in a pair of Daisy Dukes. Yummmm
/End Troll
Its also on KTRH—so the conspiracy is even
It’s a “choiceless” primary.
Dang—LOOK
I started telling people how BIG the conspirac is getting and HAL cut me off.
Squawk, I’ll try not to be insulted by the apparent fact that your desires were not satisfied by my ex-wife’s panties.
btw, Don’t even think of asking for pics.
You’re kidding, right? Did you forget what the acronym stands for? She’s a republican for the same reason Ron Paul is a republican – because they can’t get elected as Libertarians. Isn’t that the definition of “republican in name only”? I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing, just that it is what it is.
And you left off half of RickG’s sentence:
You don’t believe that’s true? Really?
Got pics
/Hey you threw down
(snicker). personally I would rather have Palin in that pic.
Ya beat me to it Schmackster
No one EVER asks the truly important questions!
Freshly washed or freshly used???????
Case closed.
Hey, I can do straight man too! btw, The pics are on the way.
The bad news: they’re pics of me wearing my ex-wife’s panties.
EWWWWWWWW yuck LOL
Holy sh*t we’re all doomed.
Beat me to it. (Damn rain)
I’m sorry guys.
On top of saying that your candidate is being unfairly portrayed as a conspiracy nut by claiming she’s the vicim of a conspiracy, the guy running her website is saying crap like this:
This is like the third reference to Perry being a “Bilderberger” I’ve seen in ther past week. At first I sloghed it off as statements from looney toons supporters. Now we have the looney toons statement being made opn the looney toons candidate’s looney toons website.
If you Libertarians EVER find somebody who is both not crazy, and who will disavow the crazies in your frikkin party, I’ll vote for you. I swear I will. I had made up my mind to vote for Medina. I even thought she had a chance.
But she is either too stupid or too crazy to get m vote.
And she has a looney toons nutjob running her website.
Makes me wonder what kind of judges she’d appoint in the event of a vacancy, and who she’d pick to run State departments in a state who’s legislature is in session 6 months every two years.
I need to have more confidence in my Governor’s judgement and thier associates than Debra just gave me.
And Felica Cravens needs to come out very. very quickly to disavow Medina and make crystal clear that she was never endorsed by the Tea Party here in this state. This thing is bad news for Medina, but worse news for the Tea Party.
I have yet to see a crisp definition of “RINO.” That’s why I suggested elaboration.
I’m sure that it’s easier to find troofers, birthers, and other assorted nutjobs than it is to find folks who deny the Holocaust. Especially in Texas.
Really, that’s quite a leap, don’t you think?
I used to like Savage, no more and it’s been a while. But:
(a) Savage buries Jones in the ratings and (b) Savage moved to Florida last I heard.
And if she were lesbian, you’d be out in all of Houston’s neighborhoods wearing DMF (Debra Medina Forever) button knocking at every door making sure everybody knows about the ideal candidate for governor.
Gotta run to the potty to upchuck my chicken dinner.
Yeah, but Palin could kick your a$$. (Mine too).
Every time I think of tRick Perry, I think of the look on George Bailey’s face after he accepted Mr. Potter’s job offer and then shook Potter’s hand.
Fortunately for George, he came to his senses and quickly turned down the offer a couple seconds later.
Don’t think Texas will be so lucky—four more years of the High Plains Shyster appears to coming around the corner
I read RickG’s comment to say that even if Medina was a holocaust denier they would still vote for her in spite of it, not because of it.
I don’t think Medina is a troofer. I think she handled the question poorly, and cast a ton of doubt on herself. She probably is done, as Dan Patrick said on Facebook. But I think it was messed up of Beck to even bring it up.
And I think it is even more messed up that Patrick is out trying to campaign against Medina and, by extension, for Perry, on Facebook.
meant –to be coming around the corner.–where’s the edit button?
Is that how you campaigned for Parker?
Yeah! We want to get Kinky in the Governor’s Mansion!!!
That’s pretty funny. If I ever run across another pair of my ex-wife’s panties, they’re yours.
RickG;
I just looked at the Medina Blogger link and I think the poster was only citing from Wiki on Pat Gray. I think the poster is guilty of not distinguishing Pat’s religious affiliation from the setup accusation (and perhaps it was a setup, I don’t know) from simply quoting info on Pat from Wikipedia.
There was also this one guy named “fat albert” who made a comment there. I think you know him.
Hmmm
The “It was a set up.” was used to defend Bill Clinton’s perjury.
One sure fire way to avoid a setup: do the right thing.
Medina blew an excellent opportunity to cement her campaign. Instead she sunk it.
This is nobody’s fault but her own.
I still rather support someone who is skeptical of the government, than the other options that are clearly in bed with Big Government…..
One thing that is imprtant in a candidate, or any Leaddr, is how the and the people working for them handle a crisis.
So far, I am unimpressed with the response Medina and her supporters are making to this.
The “Its somebody else’s fault” excuse ids alread being used by another politician I don’t like.
This is not being “skeptical of the government”
This is accusing the government of murdering 3000 civilians so it could go to war.
Thats simply insane.
Set up or not, Medina was preseted the question and didn’t answer in a manner that, NO she does not think the government helped ot take down the twin towers. And if this were a setup, well, then to me that just gives credence that Medina does at least entertain the otion that our government helped to take the towers down.
Adios ciudadanos.
I listened to the Well Report (your first link). Basically Medina blames her answer on being confused by Glenn’s question but still does not specifically say the government did not help bring down the twin towers. She said in general terms that the government did not help these teroorists in any way; but why not specifically mention the towers? That’s at the crux of the 9/11 truther arguments. Does she believe it or does she desire to not scare away the 9/11 truther vote?
I thought she said, she didn’t know because all the evidence was not released. I would say that is skeptical and a FAR cry from “accusing the government of murdering 3000 civilians so it could go to war.”
Still make no difference to me, Rick perry lies directly to our faces about tax cuts and border control. But he some how is more qualified than a woman that spoke her mind, even though she knew she would be grilled for it. Amazing…….
Well have fun with your two faced Gov. good hair. God forbid we vote for someone who tells us what they really think, even if we don’t agree. But hey as long as Perry says the right things to make you “Feel Good” I guess it is alright.
Apparently, the rumors of Truthers being in Medina’s organization or that she herself was one have been going around for a while. Obviously, it has not occurred to any Texas media to ask her point blank, but Beck did. When anyone is a political candidate, especially for an office like the governor of Texas, one thing you and your staff do is develop an evolving list of every possible question you could ever be asked and how to answer as clearly as possible.
Two of the first questions that should have been on Medina’s list are A) Are you a Truther or is anyone on your staff and do you endorse them ?, B) Do you condone the beliefs or accept donations from Neo-Nazi or White Supremacist groups ?
Given she has been a Ron Paul supporter, any campaign adviser worth his salt would have already addressed these potential events. Since Medina is an intelligent woman unafraid to voice her opinions on a whole range of subjects beyond the responsibilities of a Texas governor, she also should be prepared to answer any and all constitutional questions that could be reasonably thrown at her covering a variety of issues. It is completely rational to expect her to have thought about and developed her ideology and views across a broad range of subjects and be able to articulate what those are. She has never hesitated in the past to express her opinions on issues of national import far beyond the purview of Texas.
Debra Medina is a big girl and Glenn Beck is a big boy, both fully aware of the serious game they are playing. If Medina can’t stand the heat, she certainly does not deserve to be in the kitchen. It’s way too late for her to cry she didn’t know any better, she didn’t expect the question, she didn’t understand the question, it was unfair, it had nothing to do with Texas….give me a break.
It is just part of the process.
Isn’t this topic about not saying the right thing as opposed to feeling good because a politician says the right thing?
Wood
No, she refused to answer a direct, clear and simple question. There is no “they didn’t release all the information yet” defense. I have listened to the tape several times. It is conclusive and there is no denying it.
You want somebody with real guts and integrity for Governor ?
Well, I can tell you, pal, it is not going to be any of the candidates this year, least of all Debra Medina.
There is simply no excuse for her behavior today…none.
Equivocate all you want.
The correct answer to Beck’s question, and the only SANE one is this:
“I don’t think there’s any truth at all to any allegation that the government had nanything to do with fyling those airplanes into those buildings, and anyone who beleives it doesn’t deserve to be dog ctacher, let alone Governor of the State of Texas.”
Frankly, I’ll take a lying politician over one who is bat feces crazy.
Yes.
I guess. I listened to the interview. Seemed like Beck was playing “gotcha” to me. Certainly is not out of character for him. On the other hand, she was floundering like a fish out of water. And he was grilling her hard. Medina handled it poorly. I’m not gonna label her as a troofer yet, but she needs to learn how to handle those moments better.
Look, Patricks’ probably right – She’s done. She probably was before today. It’s too bad, though, that Patrick is out on facebook and, I suppose, on the radio (never listen to talk radio anymore) supporting an establishment candidate when he actually ran as an outsider trying to change things.
And we already have politician in the White House who has or had Truthers in his inner circle.
We don’t need one in Austin.
Truthers are a scab on the hemorhoid of history and should be banished from an public service. They are paranoid mental defectives who have stunningly poor judgement and logic skills.
Darren
No darren its not about saying the RIGHT thing, for me its about being honest. Even when I dont hold the same views. Its so foreign on politics today I guess if people dont say the RIGHT THING we are supposed to attack them.
I just dont think it matters what she believes. Its like people believing Kennedy was killed by the government. Or that we never went to the moon. Who gives a squirt!! She cant prove it one way or the other, no one ever will, on any of these issues. Why? Because people choose to believe what they will. Its the reason for so many religions.
But what I can look at is the record of Kay and Rick and know that I don’t want anymore of that in Texas. Medina was the only one that seemed to have a solid conservative record, what little there is available. But I know Rick P will do and say whatever he needs to stay in power, people of Texas be da.m.ned.
Do we need to look at what Kay has supported?
How many times have I read on this website that you will NEVER find a candidate that you agree with on every subject. Republicans need to be inclusive of all groups, you cant nix a candidate for one issue.
Yet here many of you are writing off Medina for an opinion on a topic that will NEVER satisfy either side of the issue.
Darren, That’s just plain ridiculous. No ex-wife’s panties for you!
Well Sarg at least you know what you are getting with your lying politician….err wait no you don’t you have no clue what they believe, they lie to you. Well that is ok I mean at least Rick the liar isn’t a bat feces crazy truther…..errr wait you don’t know that either because he is a liar.
But hey he tells you want you want to hear, so it makes you feel good. Ding Ding Ding!!
Heh. Glad you’re finally commenting, Wood! Welcome to our dysFUNctional family.
I can’t get the hang of this new-fangled tweek. It ended up in the wrong place but I meant every word.
And I was rerady to vote for Medina until I found out she was a bat feces crazy loon who can’t even say that its crazy to think that the government killed 3000 of its own citizens.
You’re right. I can take one over the other.
Seems you can too, you just like the crazy ones.
Its supporters like you that keeps people like me from voting Libertarian.
I don’t want to associate with you, the canidates you support, or any movement ou’re part of.
And I hope and pray that the local Tea Party people know whats best for them and thier movement and come out to quickly and unequivocably purge you loony SOBs from their ranks with a clear and concise public statement of the kind Debra Medina should have made.
SO it takes real guts and integrity to lie about what you believe. But coming out on the radio and saying what you think, even when its not politically expedient is a cowardly act. Ok Got it.
Oh and Rick and Kay are just dripping with integrity far more than a new comer who tells it like she sees it.
You guys just need to admit that she didn’t say what you wanted to hear and therefore you call her a loon, unqualified nut.
So what, she thinks the government might be involved. Some people believe in ghost some think there are aliens. This is a non issue. As long as she votes for conservative ideals I don’t care what she things about 9/11.
But I can guarantee you Kay and Rick wont disappoint on their flip flopping on conservative issues.
But hey as long as that moon bat truther isn’t in office we will be safe with all the higher taxes more illegals and mandatory vaccinations for our daughters……..
I know in 4 years when my taxes are through the roof, and illegals are still leaching off our hospitals and God forbid we ever get to a point where we are paying per mile we drive, Ill look back with fondness and thank the almighty that a true conservative with a kooky view on 9/11 isnt in office.
Wood ain’t doing so good.
The whole strategy of telling folks that she hasn’t made the biggest mistake a politician could make isn’t a good one.
Claiming she’s the victim of a conspiracy isn’t a good one.
And if you care anything aboutthe future of the Tea Party, shut down Debra Median NOW.
Even Hot Air and AoSHQ are identifing her as the “Tea Party Candidate.” I know that the Tea Party has not endorsed her, and is taking steps to go after Ron Paul, but that’s not going to do any good if the Tea Party gets identified with this incredibly tone deaf loon.
Hey ya jimb, good to see you around.
From the tone, sounded like Beck was headed for some gotcha stuff, silly thing is, that was not one of them!
Gimme a break, gotcha question.
You can’t come in here and make a defense that she didn’t really mean what she said, only to defend her because she refused to lie.
She either beleives the government killed 3000 of its own citizens or she doesn’t.
Its really that simple to 90% if the Independents out there.
And more most Republicans.
About 30% of Democrats agree with you guys though.
Hey Sarg as long as Rick and Kay make you feel good you will vote for them, I got it.
Admitting you would vote for a liar, wow that is a pretty bat like belief if I say so myself. You are admitting that you would vote for someone of which you have NO idea what they might do because they knowingly lie.
BTW I dont recall making excuses for Medina, I personally don’t think she needs one. She has a kooky belief about an issue that has little to no bearing on how she would vote. Plain and simple. I have already said this before some people dont think we went to the moon, heck I bet there are people in your office that believe in ghost or aliens or a million other unprovable topics. Who cares, unless they are wearing a tin foil hat, its just what they think.
If Medina calls for a full investigation into the 9/11 incident, then we can start talking about if she is nutty. Until then she is just another person with a differing opinion.
Hwy Wood;
Stop putting words in my mouth.
I was going to vote for Medina. Even thought she had a chance to beat Bill White.
But she’s A FREAKING LOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.\
Just like most of the Paul nuts and all of the Truthers.
If you can’t get it through your head that she is the one who has made it so that my only sane choice is one of two liars, so be it.
But its not my fault she’s a looooooooooon and paraded the fact on a National Radio Show that her supporters on Face Book told me I should listen to, only to claim later that she’d been suckered into it.
Criminy Dutch
The freakin idjits are tring to shame people into voting for a lunatic.
Well Sarg. it didn’t take long for the name calling to start. Sad to see little has changed on these boards. Got a new look, but the same old posters.
Im not trying to shame you into anything. I just cant believe anyone would vote for a flat out liar who WILL do things conservatives don’t support. Over someone who has a crazy belief about 9/11 but is most likely going to stick with conservative values.
You dont have to get all convicted and start name calling because we disagree. Its just that, a disagreement.
I still plan on voting for the person I believe will uphold my conservative values.
Honestly Darren, I don’t know what she does or does not believe about 9/11. For the time that I’ve been familiar with Debra Medina, I have never heard her say anything about 9/11 or the toofers either positive or negative. She may be going along with the same thing that the 9/11 Commission said…that they were not presented with all of the facts.
Do people have the right to question if 9/11 was an inside job? Certainly. Does it make them look like moonbats when they do so? Hell yes. Is Debra Medina a moonbat? No. I don’t think so. I think she misunderstood the question and then went off on a tangent.
Wood;
Believing the government was complicant and even actively involved in planting thermite into two towers in New York City that resulted in killing 3,000 of its citizens is quiet significant. Were people in our government involved then I’d fully support strapping the culprits in the reclining bed (to the gallows if we were Napolean-era France) and injecting the special chemicals into their bodies to make them sleep. I don’t care how one votes, believing this is inexcusable. There’s more than enough evidence out there to disprove the use of thermite and to reasonably explain every single 9/11 truther’s points of argument. No exception. Hit the books, You Tube, Popular Mechanics articles, etc. Debra. There’s a world of knowledge out there on the 9/11 attack and conspiracies sprouting out from that attack.
But instead of looking into the subject, she continues to not simply say that the government was not involved in destroying the twin towers. Again, I don’t care how she votes, I don’t want a person with such an utter lack of character as governor of Texas. I’ll take Perry’s and even Hutchinson’s cheap smiles and outright deceptions over someone who caters to creating mass murderers, especially when there’s more than enough evidence available to say otherwise.
Wood:
I think everyone is pretty well fed up with what happens when you vote for Hope and Change above everything else.
Can’t throw out the baby with the bath water.
That’s a yes. 200 anyone?
When Beck asked her the fatal question, her correct answer should have been “No, that is absurd”.
The answer she gave was that she had not investigated 9-11 well enough to have an opinion about the government’s involvement. I’m glad she let everyone know she was barking moonbat crazy before the primary.
In my opinion, anyone that “thinks” (term used loosely) the government had anything to do with the terrorists flying those planes into our buildings is barking moonbat crazy and should not be in any position of authority. (That includes the county dog catcher.)
Unfortunately, our choices are:
Perry, a moderate with conservative leanings, although he has lied to me twice. I was at the Tracy Gee pavilion in 2003 when he promised to “git er done” on the property tax appraisal caps… hasn’t happened, yet. And I saw his smiling face when he said if we OK’ed his huge business tax increase in 2007, I would see $2000 off of my property taxes. I saw about $100. Where did my $1900 go???
Hutchison, a moderate that has been around DC WAY TOO LONG! I’m exceptionally leery about anyone that has been around that cesspool for that long.
Medina, a libertarian with conservative leanings. She blew it yesterday on Beck’s show.
I do not like my choices and had intended to vote Medina, before I found out she is a barking moonbat. Looks like I have to settle with Perry.
Too bad….
My Conservative values includes exorcising lunatics from the movement.
They make the rest of us look bad.
And they’re freaking crazy.
Well, cr@p. You’ve convinced me. Since I shouldn’t vote for medina and won’t vote for good-hair or kbh, guess I’ll go vote for sanctuary-city white. The gov has no power anyway so what’s it matter? None of them are perfect. Vote out all incumbants. Deal with it for a term, then start fresh after that. You guys that keep voting the same-old same-old career politicos in are what’s got us into this mess.
I’d say it’s working out terrific. It’s exposed to all the world how hollow Obama is and what a bunch of bozo’s the dems are such that even die-hard dems are fed-up with what’s going on. Hopefully it’s knocked some sense into the republicans–driving them back to their conservative roots. It’s spawned the Tea-Party movement. Deal with the pain for one term and get some fresh people in next time around. Otherwise it keeps the incumbants in there forever and nothing gets better.
How was that same-old same-old working for you?
Bonecrusher is right!
The question was “are you crazy” and she answered “pass.”
…she had her chance and she “imploded”
…she sunk her boat a long time ago with her support for ron paul
…mitt romney is not running for governor of texas
or is he ?
…sounds like the “deb tards” enrolled in the “michael moore’s school of journalism” correspondence course
not her fault
…she was coached that she would be asked what magazine she reads
..its that “building seven” strawman that they are hanging all their alex jones nut job theories on
The question was, “Are you in love with government power, and do you believe that our government is infallible as long as your favorite crooked politicians are running the show?” And she replied, “Glenn Beck is an ignorant nutjob, and a professional clown that lacks the competence to be a serious political commentator.”
Love Glenn but he is a disinformationist just like Michael V as in victory Medved. (one mans opinion)
Want to know why there are 9/11 truthers out there? Google Rebuilding America’s Defenses (2000).
I don’t think for a minute it’s entirely implausible for our Govt. to sacrifice 3000 citizens if the ends justify the means. Do I think they did it? I dunno, many unanswered questions. But then there are many that believe Pearl Harbor was a set up as well. What I DO know is our Govt. does NOT have our best interests at heart. That’s been proven for the past 60-100 years.
I loved her “political” candor. She has my vote. I’m somewhat surprised brother Patrick is tossing his hat for Perry. But I get it. We’ve all seen what Perry & Hutchison hath wrought. Lets see what Medina can bring to the table. We have a general idea of where she stands.
America voted in a complete nobody, why can’t Texas? Personally I trust a Mexican over a Kenyan any day of the week.
I see many of you think Medina is a loon. What I say to that is you better open your eyes and quit thinking that America and her Govt. is the be all, end all.
Just because all the talking heads say it ain’t so doesn’t make it so. How many times have the so called “nutjobs” kept pressing the issue only to have it be fact years later?
Take for example Al Gore and his mission. Exact opposite but you get the picture.
Our Earth bound lord and savior Glenn Beck has already outed the groups that Alex Jones (a nutjob) has been trying to reveal for years.
Remember Eugenics? Hitler practiced it. Didn’t work. Just like Communism. Lo and behold 60 years later Glenn Beck brings it up and all of a sudden it’s a plausible theory even though Alex Jones has been preaching it for at least 10 years.
Use your head and ask questions and quit believing the hype. Just because some celebrity that clears a mill a year says this and that doesn’t make it so. Remember the old adage, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a ….quack?
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