Given Biden’s previous support for breaking up Iraq into 5 cantons, his threat is not idle.

We were winning when Bush left.

That’s what I do know.

you disagree with them politically is breathtakingly arrogant.

And once again you fail to see the difference between a political disagreement and a spiritual one. Immersing oneself in pop-culture will lead to that.

I don’t care what candidate they support, what party they support, whatever they do. I find it offensive (blasphemous) that they use the name of Christ for political gain. I suspect that if the political arena was where God wanted us to change the world, He would have arrived in the manner that many thought (and still think) he should have, as a ruling political King.

Call me breathtakingly arrogant all you want, I won’t change that basic belief.

Crime, adultery, divorce, DWIs, etc. are probably ALL lower amongst church goers

Actually, the statistics I’ve seen seem to suggest that problems in the church occur at roughly the same rate as problems outside the church. That is true however only if you base your statistics on general populations, rather than individual congregations.

All of which is irrelevant, unless you are suggesting that only perfect Christians may participate in the political arena.

It is much more difficult to live up to “love your neighbor” than it is to pass laws restricting what your neighbor can do, isn’t it?

What on earth does that mean?

The “Basic problem here” is that you don’t agree with Christians who have banded together to speak politically. You have collectively judged them as “Not walking the walk” (whatever that might mean) and called them disgusting and blasphemers.

If you disagree with their goals - fine, oppose them. If you think they are supporting the wrong candidate fine, support a different one. But to call somebody you have never met or talked to a blasphemer simply because you disagree with them politically is breathtakingly arrogant.

There are many studies out there. Seek and you will find. The results are not pretty.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/07/03/1776a-letter-from-husband-to-wife/

Christians cannot walk the talk. Not all, certainly, but just as certainly those that join these types of political organizations. You see, they have confused Christianity with culture. And that is entirely the fault Christians that do not walk the talk.

You’re on a roll (no pun intended).

Crime, adultery, divorce, DWIs, etc. are probably ALL lower amongst church goers

It would be interesting to do a study. I think the results may be surprising.

Maliki told Biden that “the reconciliation issue is a purely Iraqi issue and any non-Iraqi involvement might have a negative effect,” said Maliki’s spokesman, Ali Dabbagh. “We don’t want the Americans to come and get involved.”

Given Biden’s previous support for breaking up Iraq into 5 cantons, his threat is not idle.

and I don’t think you know either.

Actually, I know exactly what I am. A sinner saved by grace.

So simple that most don’t understand it, so they try to define it, creating a neat little box that they claim everyone should fit in.

Sad, really. So much freedom to be had if only people would grab it and hold onto it.

“Judge not, lest you be judged?

He sure did. Paul also mentions something in Romans 7 that explains why I can’t stop myself.

You see, FA, you can try to make jokes all you want but it doesn’t change the basic problem here, which is:

Christians cannot walk the talk. Not all, certainly, but just as certainly those that join these types of political organizations. You see, they have confused Christianity with culture. And that is entirely the fault Christians that do not walk the talk.

It is much more difficult to live up to “love your neighbor” than it is to pass laws restricting what your neighbor can do, isn’t it?

LOL, oh, the old big jolly is a liberal line comes out again. Gotta love it.

Never said you were a liberal, never even thought it - actually I’m not sure what you are - and I don’t think you know either.

Surely, Jesus didn’t campaign for property rights. He probably didn’t bathe very often either - especially with soap. He didn’t own a house. (Or a trailer. Say, didn’t you just finish a big landscaping job a few weeks ago? Jesus didn’t do landscaping.) Jesus was a carpenter, so I guess building houses is OK, but he didn’t do plumbing, so no toilets for you. Jesus also didn’t talk about the Space Program - let’s get rid of that. He did talk about the banking system - but he wasn’t very happy with those guys, so no more banks.

Jesus did indeed say much about the heart - you seem to be saying that those who are involved in the organizations in question are wrong. Why? And, Oh by the way didn’t Jesus also say: “Judge not, lest you be judged?

That is, children are cute but a burden. Don’t have them. It’ll restrict your life, prevent you from having fun and otherwise restrict the worldy possessions you can aquire.

I, of course, assume that’s a joke and not an attempt to limit the number of Shamaal progeny in the world.

Their words are persuasive, guised in “understanding”, “open mindedness”, “tolerance”, etc.

You forgot my favorites: constitutional, slippery slope, entanglement

To fat albert, a.k.a. “fattie” (that’s now hi benevolent Christian name)

Why don’t you tell me where I said anything of the sort? Please, I’m holding my breath.

Your #17;

I believe that wasting time and resources using the name of Christ in an ORGANIZED way for political gain is blasphemous, fattie.

I think that it is just another excuse for Christians to not separate themselves from the world and live according to the Bible, fattie.

Seems to me christans and political organization need to remain mutual to me. According to those words at least.

I’m off to shoot fireworks. Let the kids loose to terrorize others.

Vice President Joseph Biden told Iraqi leaders that the path to a secure peace lies in uniting ethnic and sectarian groups and said the U.S. might disengage from their country if it reverts to sustained violence.

Heyyy—-Great going there Joe.

Just tell Al Queda that all they have to do to make us turn tail and run is for them to start blowning up more stuff.

I’m sure those peace loving Iranians next door who accicdentally sent in tons of bombs and bullets to kill american soldiers with, and who need to distract their restive population can be counted on to help with the situation. Because, you know, we’ve been so nice tol them lately.

Jeepers! What school district are you in?!

I’ve worked in four different districts in two different states. One very liberal and the other much more conservative. It was prevelant in all four districts. The first dirstict I worked in the science teacher one door down from me was an open cross dresser. He’d stroll the streets at night dressed as a woman and bring photos in to show the class. But heaven forbid the Ten Commandments are displayed.

Sorry, that caught me off guard that the average number of teachers within your school district are blessed with child.

Blessed to an extent. When the child received a single family home, the blessings available are by and large restricted to that child. Overall teachers follow the pattern of the world/society. That is, children are cute but a burden. Don’t have them. It’ll restrict your life, prevent you from having fun and otherwise restrict the worldy possessions you can aquire.

Let’s look at it from a different angle. Has the situation gotten any better since organized religion started making pacts with political entities?

I don’t like organized churches getting into politics on organizational fronts. I don’t see that with what fat albert (”fattie” by those who disagree wit him) posted. It’s simply Christians coming together to uphold moral values in society. As for the degrading of society, that has far more to do politically with liberal organizations and liberal judges. Their words are persuasive, guised in “understanding”, “open-mindedness”, “tolerance”, etc. Whereas just follow the Ten Commandments and all those things are fulfilled.

LOL, oh, the old big jolly is a liberal line comes out again. Gotta love it.

in the meantime my church is doing well in that regard.

No, it really isn’t, and you know that.

Sorry, I’m not going to take a vow of poverty and sell my little trailer. Wouldn’t be prudent. But then, that isn’t the point, is it?

Odd that the Bible doesn’t mention Jesus campaigning for property rights. But He did say a few things about the heart.

Not sure what you mean by this:

And, while I’m thinking about it, why is it that people with your point of view seem to think that doing good and participating in the political arena are mutually exclusive?

Why don’t you tell me where I said anything of the sort? Please, I’m holding my breath.

I don’t think that Jesus would meet the dictionary definition of an anarchist, which focuses primarily on that social construct we call government.

That said, I think it would be quite easy to imagine the leaders of the Jews would consider him to be one. After all, he “rocked their world” by insisting they their method of overlording the people was incorrect.

But no, I wouldn’t consider Jesus to be an anarchist.

teachers who get knocked up by their boyfriends and girlfriends continue to be the norm inside our schools

Jeepers! What school district are you in?!

Sorry, that caught me off guard that the average number of teachers within your school district are blessed with child.

Let’s look at it from a different angle. Has the situation gotten any better since organized religion started making pacts with political entities?